Visustella and Plugins

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Note that I have no intention of causing a flame war. So please refrain from personal attacks towards anyone.

As for Visustella, the most common criticism I heard is that they obfuscate code and therefore causes games to have worse performance. Yet, I understand why they do that. If you have a business selling plugins, you kinda don’t want people to swipe your code and sell it as their own. It is kinda a neccesary evil. I encrypt my own games for the same reason, even if I release them for free.

Is there an issue with changing for your work compared to release it for free? I pay for assets constantly, whenever official dlc on steam or paid plugins like Visustella. And its always been a drop in the ocean compared to what I have paid on custom art commissions. Visustella does not stand out {…} than any other creator of paid assets. I think some compensation for your work is fair, as long as the price is reasonable, which it seems to be.

I don’t know them personally. But to me, Visustella and Yanfly before them has produced plugins that has been of great help during my early projects and I use them to this day. Among many other creators. Its especially useful for people like me who have no knowledge of coding. Pre made plugins is all I can really use.

Moderator’s Note: Post was well intentioned, so it has been left up. But content & title in violation of section 5 of the Terms of Service has been removed or edited as needed.

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I am sorry but, Please cut it out

People being constantly trying to bring Drama in this forum. They claim that they made the forum toxic but its people constantly bringing the old ass drama that is over 6 years old
That are currently making this forum SUPRA toxic and hostile.

just focus on doing art, game, plugins and have fun instead.

Yes many people had their grip with them but now its just ridiculous and insanelly stupid

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Personal opinion, but I think this issue should be swept under the rug.

Either case you’ll get two sides:

  • The people that think yes, will show messages, be marked as disrespectful/etc.
  • And the people that will get angry, or generally dismissive of anything VS did or not.

This has proven to be just bait for people or posts getting flagged.

Feel free to discuss in other mediums, I just don’t think it works here.

Again, personal opinion!

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I see, so its simply before my time. Only been active for the last couple of years or so. I am a pretty new developer all things considered. So there is probably alot of history I am unaware of. If this question causes drama, delete the thread. I am.not seeking to stir up trouble. I am simply trying to understand.

I am generally quite optimistic about the future of these forums. I am fine with being on any forum as long as the community help me with development issues. Though as someone who has used various forums over the course of decades, in my experience there is nearly always some kind of drama. I just wanted to know if there was some truth to it or not. If not, it can easily be dismissed. Trust me, I have seen worse on sites that has nothing to do with RPG Maker.

Things are tumultuous right now because it is a transition period. It will calm down.

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Eh why not

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Disclaimer: I am NOT trying to speak negatively of anyone, just repeating information that is commonly available, as well as what I’ve observed myself. VS is fine, their plugins are good, you should use them if you can’t code and want to increase the quality of your game.

Now then:

In the final hour thread, I (as neutrally as possible, mind you!) tried to explain what I saw here regarding people’s gripes about RMW’s staff favoring VS due to an entangled self-interest (Archeia in particular is both an RMW site admin and major player behind VS). TouchFuzzy literally then came along and said (in a nutshell “NO VS CRITICISM!” in response.

So yeah, that’s an example, right up until the very end, of them shutting down criticism of VS, and in this case I wasn’t even criticizing VS (I like them overall, many of them are nice)

As you noted, the average RMW user is actually quite nice…until you have positive things to say about AI, and presumably anything else that goes against what bounces around regularly in the echo chamber there.

As for plugins getting removed, the only thing I’m aware of there is FOSSIL having basically been given the middle finger. (FOSSIL was a really cool plugin that allowed many old MV plugins to work in MZ)

As with many things over at RMW, that claim is unfounded. I once parroted that claim myself, but when I actually ran load tests on obfuscated code vs unobfuscated code, the difference was extremely minimal. And a lot of the code run in RM isn’t exactly performance-intensive anyway. (Lighting is, anything in the per-frame loop is, but nearly everything else is fine). Code eval’d during runtime is far slower than obfuscated code. Like, massively slower.

You’d have to do your own research, really. The only thing that is a commonly known fact is what I mentioned above about entangled interests. Not interested in stirringup drama though so that’s all I’m going ton say about it.

Anyway, none of that actually matters now. RMW is shut down, people are here now, etc, and soforth.

Let’s move forward. As AI would say, it’s…

Not relevant anymore.
Not useful to anyone.
Not positive.
Not worth the time.
But pointless.

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let bygone be bygone, we all are here to make games and learn, no point keep bringing up old topic that doesn’t really benefit the community much imo.

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Why do you keep pushing this post for which you were warned, mate? Just seems like a vendetta at this point.

In general, the reasons VS had for obfuscating their code might have made them seem less anti-consumer and anti-dev, but people keep ignoring what led to the decision to obfuscate their code.

I just don’t see why we can’t talk about that academically without bringing up the perceived issues with the old forums. It’s a new day, let’s just enjoy it rather than dwelling, eh? :smiley:

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This isn’t a vendetta, I am just sharing the other side of the story because critics are mass-censored on old official servers. In fact, I have already been placed on a watchlist by certain groups for speaking out. Someone asked for information, I provided it, and it is all public knowledge if you look for it. Do with it what you will.

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I recommend yall stop this. The mods already said that they don’t want to entertain matters related to the previous forum here. There are many locked posts already on web forums you can look up (try looking up obfuscated plugins and you’ll find discussions).

At this point, its best to let sleeping dogs lie and move on.

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I’m not aware of a “watchlist” and this seems pretty paranoid? Maybe I’m being naiive haha.

Thus far the only wrongful flagging or misuse of reporting that’s occurred on this site so far has been on me when I made that crack about the library of alexandria haha. Like who is dismissing these claims -

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He has a vendetta and at this point, you should just flag the post.

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I would guess the code was obfuscated because there was an incident with their code being stolen. That seems to be the most logical reason.

In any case, I don’t really care about the old drama. I just wanted to gauge if the issue was widespread enough that using Visustella plugins would make people avoid my projects in turn. For I am heavily reliant on them. The fact I am using dragonbones alone means I have no choice.

I did decide to not use ai in my projects for the same reason. Not because I see an issue with its use, but because enough people do that it would impact downloads.

In this case, it seems it is there is not enough people with an issue that it would affect the PR of my projects in turn. So I think it can be safely dropped.

There is a new dawn, what was or was not the case before is kinda irrelevant now.

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Even so, you’ve been warned on multiple posts that what you’re doing is against the ToS of this forum. At what point, do you actually stop bringing up old stories and move on?

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See, Darkmoon9. Good example how this works. If you dare to speak out, people censor you. This is why so many people are unaware, because you’re only allowed to speak positively about The Holy Group.

Anyways, I’m done with it here. It is what it is.

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Is he defending VS? Thus far all I’ve seen of Durant has been correcting misinformation, which seems pretty agnostic to the VS issue :smiley: